1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,345 *intro music* 2 00:00:10,765 --> 00:00:13,810 Herald-Angel: So, welcome here on stage 3 00:00:13,810 --> 00:00:17,260 bonsoir taziden and kload 4 00:00:17,260 --> 00:00:20,400 the next talk is on 5 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,250 building a better internet 6 00:00:22,250 --> 00:00:23,610 It all started I think 7 00:00:23,610 --> 00:00:26,220 two years ago at the 30C3 8 00:00:26,220 --> 00:00:28,570 when these two guys were here 9 00:00:28,570 --> 00:00:31,300 inviting us to build our own ISP 10 00:00:31,300 --> 00:00:34,250 and this year they want to invite us to 11 00:00:34,250 --> 00:00:36,320 build something like a better internet 12 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:40,640 which is a small box I think they have brought with them. 13 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:41,880 Yeah, that prevents your ISP from 14 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:43,190 snooping on your traffic and 15 00:00:43,190 --> 00:00:45,420 enables you to circumvent things like 16 00:00:45,420 --> 00:00:46,510 carrier grade NAT 17 00:00:46,510 --> 00:00:48,450 and all of these oddites 18 00:00:48,450 --> 00:00:50,130 Stage is yours 19 00:00:50,130 --> 00:00:51,790 kload + taziden: Thank you 20 00:00:51,790 --> 00:00:57,810 applause 21 00:00:58,250 --> 00:01:00,989 taziden: Hello everyone, so we are going to talk to you about 22 00:01:00,989 --> 00:01:04,590 the internet cube, which is this little box you can see here 23 00:01:04,900 --> 00:01:06,430 maybe you have heard already 24 00:01:06,430 --> 00:01:08,860 about this project with the french name 25 00:01:08,860 --> 00:01:10,799 “La brique Internet”, 26 00:01:10,799 --> 00:01:12,930 but today we are going to stick with 27 00:01:12,930 --> 00:01:14,040 the internet cube. 28 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:20,479 So let's start with some facts 29 00:01:20,479 --> 00:01:23,799 kload: today we have an Internet made of big silos 30 00:01:23,799 --> 00:01:25,439 and this is really something 31 00:01:25,439 --> 00:01:27,000 we're incomfortable with 32 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,850 and really something we need to change. 33 00:01:29,850 --> 00:01:32,500 We have… We give information to 34 00:01:32,500 --> 00:01:34,700 a lot of companies, a lot of entities, 35 00:01:34,700 --> 00:01:36,509 governments and stuff that 36 00:01:36,509 --> 00:01:38,950 are having this power to 37 00:01:38,950 --> 00:01:41,420 influence us through this. 38 00:01:41,420 --> 00:01:43,869 So, yeah, it is to say that 39 00:01:43,869 --> 00:01:46,829 we have this princess freedom 40 00:01:46,829 --> 00:01:50,110 we can say that is being held by 41 00:01:50,110 --> 00:01:56,439 some evelish Ganondorf 42 00:01:56,439 --> 00:02:01,080 Like you know that Google, Amazon, Netflix, 43 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:10,049 Apple, Microsoft, Dropbox, Nasty one, Onclick, 44 00:02:10,049 --> 00:02:13,189 doubleclick.google.ceobase.com or something like this 45 00:02:13,189 --> 00:02:14,919 and reddit, obviously 46 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,169 and facebook, that's for sure 47 00:02:18,169 --> 00:02:20,329 fact number 2, maybe 48 00:02:20,329 --> 00:02:25,430 t: fact number 2: internet needs diversity 49 00:02:25,430 --> 00:02:29,569 internet is today as kload said 50 00:02:29,569 --> 00:02:32,499 the information is centered in silos 51 00:02:32,499 --> 00:02:34,489 but not only personal information 52 00:02:34,489 --> 00:02:36,299 also the public information 53 00:02:36,299 --> 00:02:37,579 and we can have today 54 00:02:37,579 --> 00:02:38,870 what is your freedom 55 00:02:38,870 --> 00:02:41,230 if the only information you get is from 56 00:02:41,230 --> 00:02:42,980 the top hundread websites 57 00:02:42,980 --> 00:02:44,180 so that's a major problem. 58 00:02:44,180 --> 00:02:45,569 We need more networks, 59 00:02:45,569 --> 00:02:47,419 we need more websites, 60 00:02:47,419 --> 00:02:49,389 we need more information, more sources, 61 00:02:49,389 --> 00:02:51,969 more diversity and obviously 62 00:02:51,969 --> 00:02:54,369 we need more networks. 63 00:02:54,369 --> 00:02:55,590 k: Thankfully we have this 64 00:02:55,590 --> 00:02:58,629 hypertext link to the rescue 65 00:02:58,629 --> 00:03:00,389 of the princess here and 66 00:03:00,389 --> 00:03:04,930 he seems a bit sad with only his shield 67 00:03:04,930 --> 00:03:09,230 so he has to find this artifacts to get 68 00:03:09,230 --> 00:03:13,459 to this old man in the cave and find 69 00:03:13,459 --> 00:03:16,139 I don't know maybe something 70 00:03:16,139 --> 00:03:17,519 maybe an internet cube 71 00:03:18,399 --> 00:03:22,299 *applause* 72 00:03:23,049 --> 00:03:27,919 Okay, okay, this way is a bit tough. 73 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,370 We have one here and 74 00:03:30,370 --> 00:03:31,589 without further ado, 75 00:03:31,589 --> 00:03:34,199 we'll make a quick demo 76 00:03:34,199 --> 00:03:36,079 so that you have an idea how it works 77 00:03:36,079 --> 00:03:39,009 t: so let's see we have one here connected on the video 78 00:03:39,059 --> 00:03:41,629 k: we just plugged in just before the conference 79 00:03:41,629 --> 00:03:45,589 so that we can show the [???] at some point 80 00:03:45,589 --> 00:03:48,079 t: let's see what's on there 81 00:03:48,079 --> 00:03:50,059 k: just have to type my domain name, 82 00:03:50,059 --> 00:03:52,172 a very common one 83 00:03:54,242 --> 00:03:56,150 t: yea, it works. 84 00:03:56,150 --> 00:03:58,129 *applause* 85 00:03:59,269 --> 00:04:03,389 this is where it works, 86 00:04:03,389 --> 00:04:05,889 a device like this 87 00:04:05,889 --> 00:04:10,759 and yeah, I just have my awesome website on it 88 00:04:10,759 --> 00:04:15,359 I can just have my e-mails, 89 00:04:15,359 --> 00:04:17,889 I mean receive my e-mails. 90 00:04:17,889 --> 00:04:20,889 Yeah, I guess, I hope. 91 00:04:20,889 --> 00:04:24,050 So you can actually send me e-mails on it. 92 00:04:24,430 --> 00:04:27,099 k: let's encrypt is not yet included, 93 00:04:27,099 --> 00:04:29,449 but we're working on it. 94 00:04:29,449 --> 00:04:31,300 t: It is self signed certificates 95 00:04:31,300 --> 00:04:34,619 but propper ciphers and stuff. 96 00:04:34,619 --> 00:04:38,949 Don't worry. 97 00:04:43,539 --> 00:04:45,509 k: You really accept it permanently? 98 00:04:45,509 --> 00:04:47,740 t: I didn't. 99 00:04:49,740 --> 00:04:53,569 So. It is running on the 4G connection here 100 00:04:53,569 --> 00:04:55,810 because I don't know the CCC Network 101 00:04:55,810 --> 00:05:00,150 is kind of spoofing things sometimes 102 00:05:02,330 --> 00:05:05,659 and I will try to receive my e-mails here. 103 00:05:05,659 --> 00:05:10,860 Don't move to much, he's working here. 104 00:05:11,850 --> 00:05:15,409 k: awww, come on 105 00:05:15,409 --> 00:05:19,139 t: Please, Please 4G. 106 00:05:19,139 --> 00:05:22,900 Oh. That's something. 107 00:05:23,550 --> 00:05:25,680 k: The packets are going through 108 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:32,110 europe and belgium, france also of course 109 00:05:32,110 --> 00:05:44,660 t: That's because HTTPS is slowing up connections 110 00:05:44,660 --> 00:05:47,000 Maybe we won't have e-mails, but I still have 111 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:52,120 my awesome website on it. 112 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,770 Oh, yes! It works! 113 00:05:54,770 --> 00:06:00,789 Sorry about that. 114 00:06:01,089 --> 00:06:08,169 Yeah! *applause* 115 00:06:10,589 --> 00:06:13,080 k: Can you remember the password? 116 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:18,979 t: I did. Something very strong. 117 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,460 Do you have something funny to say? 118 00:06:28,460 --> 00:06:35,770 k: No. Not after the talk I gave yesterday, no, sorry. 119 00:06:35,770 --> 00:06:39,830 So, how are you today? 120 00:06:39,830 --> 00:06:42,259 You're doing right? 121 00:06:42,259 --> 00:06:43,789 t: Maybe you can explain that 122 00:06:43,789 --> 00:06:47,419 k: we just plugged it in. 123 00:06:47,419 --> 00:06:55,110 We even put this 4G phone in USB 124 00:06:55,110 --> 00:06:58,050 connected it through USB to the cube 125 00:06:58,050 --> 00:07:00,689 and it worked. 126 00:07:00,689 --> 00:07:04,219 It recognised an internet device on 127 00:07:04,219 --> 00:07:09,229 the USB-device and automatically connected 128 00:07:09,229 --> 00:07:12,439 it to the internet. 129 00:07:12,439 --> 00:07:14,840 This is kind of a plug-and-play thing. 130 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:18,379 t: Actually we can explain that we switched 131 00:07:18,379 --> 00:07:20,879 to 3G connection because we had issues 132 00:07:20,879 --> 00:07:23,789 during the preperation with the networks here 133 00:07:23,789 --> 00:07:26,699 at the congress. Some people where trying 134 00:07:26,699 --> 00:07:29,209 to spoof certificates. 135 00:07:29,209 --> 00:07:34,369 k: DynDNS or SSL-Certificates, what an idea 136 00:07:35,039 --> 00:07:36,039 t: let's wait a little bit 137 00:07:39,129 --> 00:07:40,840 (whispers) Come on! 138 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:42,150 *chuckles* 139 00:07:44,610 --> 00:07:46,029 that was working earlier. 140 00:07:46,029 --> 00:07:49,620 t: of course it was working 141 00:07:49,620 --> 00:07:53,599 Okay, maybe, what we can say about this, 142 00:07:53,599 --> 00:07:56,519 don't try this at home because it's dangerous. 143 00:07:56,519 --> 00:07:58,449 No, it’s … I mean … 144 00:07:58,449 --> 00:08:01,949 Receiving e-mails, actual e-mails on a 3G connected device. 145 00:08:01,949 --> 00:08:04,579 That can be tricky at some point. 146 00:08:04,579 --> 00:08:12,399 Okay, we can go further now and just get back to it afterwards. 147 00:08:12,399 --> 00:08:14,030 So, the question is: 148 00:08:14,030 --> 00:08:16,200 How does it actually work? 149 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:17,779 t: … when it works. *chuckles* 150 00:08:19,549 --> 00:08:24,289 t: How does it work? That's the interesting part. 151 00:08:24,289 --> 00:08:27,900 This little box, cube, what is interesting about this 152 00:08:27,900 --> 00:08:33,279 is that it's the union of three mayor 153 00:08:33,279 --> 00:08:36,279 essential parts: three basic elements that 154 00:08:36,279 --> 00:08:38,299 combine together gives something 155 00:08:38,299 --> 00:08:40,169 very interesting and 156 00:08:40,169 --> 00:08:43,149 the first part is open hardware. 157 00:08:43,149 --> 00:08:48,260 We need to do this to achieve what we are describing. 158 00:08:48,260 --> 00:08:51,000 We need to have an open hardware that is cheap, 159 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,480 low voltage, that is hackable, 160 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,839 with specifications online and so far 161 00:08:56,839 --> 00:09:01,340 the best match we had only makes Hamboard, 162 00:09:01,340 --> 00:09:07,380 but open hardware is just one element and 163 00:09:07,380 --> 00:09:10,050 you need to have free software running on top 164 00:09:10,050 --> 00:09:12,529 of this open hardware and that's something 165 00:09:12,529 --> 00:09:15,550 kload has been working on for a long time now 166 00:09:15,550 --> 00:09:19,930 k: for like 3 years we worked on a software 167 00:09:19,930 --> 00:09:22,209 called YunoHost which is basically 168 00:09:22,209 --> 00:09:26,029 a Debian based distribution that aims 169 00:09:26,029 --> 00:09:29,310 to facilitate or to ease the installation 170 00:09:29,310 --> 00:09:31,529 and the management, the handling 171 00:09:31,529 --> 00:09:34,859 of services on the server 172 00:09:34,859 --> 00:09:38,649 easing the user creation, management, 173 00:09:38,649 --> 00:09:41,290 the backup creation, the domain creation 174 00:09:41,290 --> 00:09:44,290 the extention of the server capabilities 175 00:09:44,290 --> 00:09:46,570 with applications and stuff. 176 00:09:46,570 --> 00:09:50,430 So that's regarding the software part. 177 00:09:50,430 --> 00:09:53,060 You can find further information on the website 178 00:09:53,060 --> 00:09:58,190 YunoHost.org and we had those 2 components 179 00:09:58,190 --> 00:10:03,929 cool hardware, open and 180 00:10:03,929 --> 00:10:07,990 olimex is quite a cool manufacturer 181 00:10:07,990 --> 00:10:11,430 and we had this software which works on 182 00:10:11,430 --> 00:10:13,820 that board but we needed something 183 00:10:13,820 --> 00:10:17,829 in order to solve this network issue 184 00:10:17,829 --> 00:10:20,529 that obviously is a pain in the ass when you 185 00:10:20,529 --> 00:10:24,170 are trying to host yourself. 186 00:10:24,170 --> 00:10:28,259 It's like how can I make my server open 187 00:10:28,259 --> 00:10:34,050 on the internet and that's how the third component comes up. 188 00:10:34,050 --> 00:10:36,880 We need, actually … 189 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:42,509 We chose to add to this a VPN connection 190 00:10:42,509 --> 00:10:45,139 to a trustworthy provider. 191 00:10:45,139 --> 00:10:47,920 t: Two years ago I was here at the congress 192 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:51,800 giving a talk about inviting you to build 193 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,040 your own ISPs and when you are running 194 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,329 such ISPs you should communicate and 195 00:10:56,329 --> 00:11:00,899 help each other in order for the networks to grow 196 00:11:00,899 --> 00:11:06,730 and this networks to have them everywhere, actually. 197 00:11:06,730 --> 00:11:09,410 We met with Freifunk and so. 198 00:11:09,410 --> 00:11:12,790 That was really great and we at the time 199 00:11:12,790 --> 00:11:16,300 presented a tool called db.ffdn.org 200 00:11:16,300 --> 00:11:19,630 and you can find on this site a whole bunch 201 00:11:19,630 --> 00:11:22,600 of internet access providers, 202 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,350 non-profit ones, that are enabling us 203 00:11:25,350 --> 00:11:28,300 with this cube to provide VPN access with 204 00:11:28,300 --> 00:11:31,720 public endpoints which means you can have 205 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:37,389 your personal data or your public data accessible through the Internet 206 00:11:37,389 --> 00:11:39,270 through trusted connection, 207 00:11:39,270 --> 00:11:41,659 going through a friendly ISP 208 00:11:41,659 --> 00:11:43,670 and that's something that's not possible 209 00:11:43,670 --> 00:11:45,920 with the most of the commercial ISPs 210 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,309 that are blocking port 25, 211 00:11:49,309 --> 00:11:50,620 that are doing silly stuff, 212 00:11:50,620 --> 00:11:53,169 that are doing discrimination on the network 213 00:11:53,169 --> 00:11:56,779 and that do not want us to do self hosting. 214 00:11:56,779 --> 00:12:00,850 That's the 3rd element that I've seen 215 00:12:00,850 --> 00:12:03,030 missing in most of the projects about 216 00:12:03,030 --> 00:12:04,360 this kind of matter. 217 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:05,970 It's how do you … 218 00:12:05,970 --> 00:12:07,519 You can trust the hardware, 219 00:12:07,519 --> 00:12:08,779 you can work on the hardware, 220 00:12:08,779 --> 00:12:10,949 you can work on the software, 221 00:12:10,949 --> 00:12:13,860 but the missing link is always, I think, 222 00:12:13,860 --> 00:12:17,000 the third is one about the connection to the Internet. 223 00:12:17,380 --> 00:12:19,569 Combined together this 224 00:12:19,569 --> 00:12:22,660 3 elements give what we think is 225 00:12:22,660 --> 00:12:24,970 kind of only trinity like 226 00:12:24,970 --> 00:12:27,120 and it makes the internet cube. 227 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:31,639 k: those 3 parts are very legit in the 228 00:12:31,639 --> 00:12:35,110 sense that it now comes as a plug and play 229 00:12:35,110 --> 00:12:36,930 device, something really plug and play 230 00:12:36,930 --> 00:12:40,090 even though it is a bit slow sometimes but… 231 00:12:40,090 --> 00:12:41,930 t: depends on the network 232 00:12:41,930 --> 00:12:45,120 k: depends on the network, but this question 233 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,690 of having friendly ISPs is really complicated to solve. 234 00:12:49,340 --> 00:12:52,779 Self hosting is becoming really complicated. 235 00:12:52,779 --> 00:12:55,310 Now having this 3 parts 236 00:12:55,310 --> 00:12:59,069 really makes the cube plug and play 237 00:12:59,069 --> 00:13:02,800 and the cool part is adding a WiFi antenna 238 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,640 on it and you have actually this initial 239 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:11,430 network broadcasted through all your house, 240 00:13:11,430 --> 00:13:14,000 every place you go you have this wifi, 241 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,190 we have one though, we have a 242 00:13:16,190 --> 00:13:25,300 non-discriminant network being broadcasted as they all say, they have WiFi. 243 00:13:25,820 --> 00:13:27,029 t: it's overrated 244 00:13:27,029 --> 00:13:33,170 k: We have also this possibilities to 245 00:13:33,170 --> 00:13:35,190 broadcast a virtual network at home 246 00:13:35,190 --> 00:13:37,279 and just by connecting to it 247 00:13:37,279 --> 00:13:40,920 your commercial non-trustworthy ISP 248 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:45,499 is not able to read what you are doing off your connection anymore. 249 00:13:45,510 --> 00:13:49,440 There is those very 2 parts 250 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,379 having a virtual network at home 251 00:13:51,379 --> 00:13:55,250 and having a personal cell working right away 252 00:13:55,250 --> 00:14:00,339 t: that's the very interesting thing about all this 253 00:14:00,339 --> 00:14:03,129 is that you have two major parts like 254 00:14:03,129 --> 00:14:05,839 connecting to the cube and your data 255 00:14:05,839 --> 00:14:07,440 from everywhere on the internet 256 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,470 and also at your home, or whereever 257 00:14:09,470 --> 00:14:11,509 you are you can connect to the internet 258 00:14:11,509 --> 00:14:15,529 through a trusted channel and 259 00:14:15,529 --> 00:14:17,459 of course this is what we came up with 260 00:14:17,459 --> 00:14:20,249 but I think there are many, many 261 00:14:20,249 --> 00:14:23,529 other things we can do and maybe 262 00:14:23,529 --> 00:14:26,680 you are all wondering how do you get one? 263 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,740 a working one of course 264 00:14:30,740 --> 00:14:33,430 and that's an interesting question 265 00:14:33,430 --> 00:14:35,730 it's easy for French people or 266 00:14:35,730 --> 00:14:37,849 Belgian to have one because there are 267 00:14:37,849 --> 00:14:40,649 non profit local ISPs providing this cubes 268 00:14:40,649 --> 00:14:47,180 nearby that as I say 269 00:14:47,180 --> 00:14:49,830 the local part is very important 270 00:14:49,830 --> 00:14:52,009 what you should do is maybe think about 271 00:14:52,009 --> 00:14:55,579 building your own ISP providing VPN access 272 00:14:55,579 --> 00:14:59,609 such as we do and also all the parts, 273 00:14:59,609 --> 00:15:02,000 all the documentation, all the software and so on 274 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,650 is online and we really invite people to build their own. 275 00:15:05,650 --> 00:15:08,329 If you have questions about building your own ISP and providing 276 00:15:08,329 --> 00:15:13,740 public IPs to friends and to people around you, 277 00:15:13,740 --> 00:15:16,730 ask us, we can help you 278 00:15:16,730 --> 00:15:20,090 It's really what we want to do. It's really to have more networks, 279 00:15:20,090 --> 00:15:21,910 to have more projects like this 280 00:15:21,910 --> 00:15:25,129 t: the thing that we often miss here is that 281 00:15:25,129 --> 00:15:27,920 it is not as difficult as we think to build 282 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:32,229 an actual VPN provider. 283 00:15:32,229 --> 00:15:36,279 We've done it a lot in France, 284 00:15:36,279 --> 00:15:39,060 we've done quite, I don't know 285 00:15:39,060 --> 00:15:41,779 how many members are in the federation? 286 00:15:41,779 --> 00:15:43,960 k: in the federation, we have a federation of 287 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,749 non-profit internet access providers and I think 288 00:15:46,749 --> 00:15:49,370 like 2 years ago we where like 21 and now 289 00:15:49,370 --> 00:15:51,329 we have 28 organisations 290 00:15:51,329 --> 00:15:54,680 t: 28 non-profit organisations made by 291 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:58,370 just passionists over France so 292 00:15:58,370 --> 00:16:00,480 we have knowledges of how we can 293 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,470 build one and if you want to do so just 294 00:16:02,470 --> 00:16:04,120 k: just ask us 295 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,750 t: We have gathered enough knowledge to 296 00:16:07,750 --> 00:16:09,439 help you bootstrap something. 297 00:16:09,439 --> 00:16:12,500 k: one thing is: before the internet cube project 298 00:16:12,500 --> 00:16:15,709 came up, we were not so much interested in 299 00:16:15,709 --> 00:16:20,319 building VPN service. It really came up like this with 300 00:16:20,319 --> 00:16:23,100 people from the YunoHost project 301 00:16:23,100 --> 00:16:25,199 with the Olimex hardware we discovered 302 00:16:25,199 --> 00:16:29,720 with the people involved in the non-profit ISPs 303 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,550 and this very combination gives something 304 00:16:32,550 --> 00:16:37,609 that I think is very, very cool and very inspiring. 305 00:16:37,609 --> 00:16:40,720 There are many things to do with it 306 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,599 many hacks to invent or things to … 307 00:16:44,599 --> 00:16:47,240 t: Of course, this hardware is kind of 308 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:53,019 like a Rasberry Pi, it has potentially … all of the potential 309 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,599 You can do domadig [?] with it. 310 00:16:55,599 --> 00:16:57,890 We have made pirate boxes quite often, 311 00:16:57,890 --> 00:17:02,509 maybe if you went to camp you probably have seen me going around 312 00:17:02,509 --> 00:17:05,099 with a big ad sign and this actually on 313 00:17:05,099 --> 00:17:08,760 my head because I was sharing documents. 314 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,240 k: You also did it in Tunisia? 315 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:17,450 t: Yeah, in Tunisia, too. We did it quite a few times 316 00:17:17,450 --> 00:17:20,520 The thing is: you can build piratebox, 317 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,349 you can as a router, a wifi router, 318 00:17:23,349 --> 00:17:25,569 you can imagine having some kind of 319 00:17:25,569 --> 00:17:29,630 tor gateway, maybe one day routing all 320 00:17:29,630 --> 00:17:33,970 the traffic instead of VPN routing it through tor. 321 00:17:33,970 --> 00:17:35,910 This is something we can imagine with the … 322 00:17:35,910 --> 00:17:39,610 k: with people using it as a way to stream radio 323 00:17:39,610 --> 00:17:41,120 from the place 324 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:42,430 t: Yea, as a streaming device... 325 00:17:42,430 --> 00:17:44,680 k: It's one interesting thing that there is a 326 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,230 battery, so you can just... really 327 00:17:47,230 --> 00:17:49,810 have it on your backpack. You can recharge it 328 00:17:49,810 --> 00:17:52,520 with a solar panel as it's low voltage and 329 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,410 it's really something interesting and 330 00:17:55,410 --> 00:18:01,520 we came up with this by tinkering. We hope that 331 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:05,630 we will ... you will advance other things to do 332 00:18:05,630 --> 00:18:09,190 over creative, stupid, crazy ideas 333 00:18:09,190 --> 00:18:11,270 and that's why we are here. So... 334 00:18:11,270 --> 00:18:13,530 t: Yeah, if you want to have more information though 335 00:18:13,530 --> 00:18:16,500 you have this... this is actually our domain. 336 00:18:16,500 --> 00:18:17,780 That you figured out. 337 00:18:17,780 --> 00:18:19,670 It's like "internetcube.be" 338 00:18:19,670 --> 00:18:21,940 and you have all the information 339 00:18:21,940 --> 00:18:28,010 all the documentation, mailing list, IRC, every channel of communication 340 00:18:28,010 --> 00:18:30,880 k: Yeah, you can contact us to share actions 341 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:32,900 to see what can be improved, 342 00:18:32,900 --> 00:18:38,660 because for us it fits in our use cases, 343 00:18:38,660 --> 00:18:41,070 but it may be that there are other use cases 344 00:18:41,070 --> 00:18:44,150 with when you are in Tunisia or other countries, 345 00:18:44,150 --> 00:18:47,140 there are certainly other things to do with it. 346 00:18:47,140 --> 00:18:49,690 t: Yeah, anyway. If you want to talk about this, 347 00:18:49,690 --> 00:18:54,710 we are in CCC until the end, probably. 348 00:18:54,710 --> 00:18:57,960 And so, yeah, we'd be glad to 349 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:02,840 answer your questions now, or we can look 350 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:06,380 at my mails. Okay! Questions? 351 00:19:06,380 --> 00:19:11,390 *applause* 352 00:19:11,390 --> 00:19:16,200 Herald: Okay, Merci beaucoup, taziden et kload 353 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,990 and do we have questions from the stream viewers 354 00:19:19,990 --> 00:19:25,020 or from the audience? 355 00:19:25,020 --> 00:19:28,700 That is not the case, so thank you for your talk! 356 00:19:29,350 --> 00:19:30,710 t: Thank you! Thank you! 357 00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:37,910 *applause* 358 00:19:41,580 --> 00:19:44,870 Herald: Okay, there is a question! Where? 359 00:19:44,870 --> 00:19:46,580 Microphone 3! 360 00:19:47,580 --> 00:19:50,310 Question: So thank you for the talk! 361 00:19:50,310 --> 00:19:52,560 I don't have much knowledge about your 362 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:57,140 technology so far, so excuse if the question 363 00:19:57,140 --> 00:19:59,650 is misplaced. 364 00:19:59,650 --> 00:20:02,760 How does it compare to the Tor network 365 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,220 in terms of anonymous access and stuff? 366 00:20:06,220 --> 00:20:07,720 k: It actually doesn't compare to the 367 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,740 Tor network. We can not compare that. 368 00:20:09,740 --> 00:20:13,310 t: But in terms of anoynmity: it doesn't 369 00:20:13,310 --> 00:20:16,530 make you anonymous. it's quite the opposite, actually. 370 00:20:17,390 --> 00:20:20,170 The only thing that this box can do is 371 00:20:20,170 --> 00:20:22,130 when you connect to it in the WiFi 372 00:20:22,130 --> 00:20:24,840 in your house, everything that you do 373 00:20:25,590 --> 00:20:27,620 all your connection, internet connection 374 00:20:27,620 --> 00:20:31,040 is not readable any more for your actual 375 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,520 your commercial ISP. 376 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:38,060 Your connection becomes readable for 377 00:20:38,060 --> 00:20:42,610 your local friendly organisation that 378 00:20:42,610 --> 00:20:44,320 gives you this access. 379 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,170 Question: So you have to worry about your 380 00:20:47,170 --> 00:20:48,890 end to end connections. 381 00:20:48,890 --> 00:20:51,550 t: yeah! So as always. 382 00:20:52,900 --> 00:20:55,100 Herald: So now I see people lining up. 383 00:20:55,100 --> 00:20:56,720 Microphone 2 please! 384 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,440 Question: Hi, can it send emails to Gmail 385 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,750 or is it just within your network? 386 00:21:01,750 --> 00:21:03,960 And how does it work because the 387 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:09,160 filter home ISP usually at large providers? 388 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,600 You have to have a trusted IP to send 389 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,280 email to Gmail and others. 390 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:17,460 t: Yes, the ISP—the local ISP—gives you an 391 00:21:17,460 --> 00:21:20,100 actual IP address on the this box 392 00:21:20,100 --> 00:21:24,290 and this box can definitely send emails 393 00:21:24,290 --> 00:21:26,600 to Gmail and receive emails from Gmail. 394 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,560 It's just easily … it is linked to one of your domain. 395 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,830 So it is your domain that you are using. 396 00:21:32,830 --> 00:21:34,660 Here it was various.expert 397 00:21:34,660 --> 00:21:37,660 but you can definitely have a more standard domain 398 00:21:37,660 --> 00:21:40,010 But yes, with that you can receive emails 399 00:21:40,010 --> 00:21:44,580 to your_nickname@your_domain. 400 00:21:44,580 --> 00:21:45,930 Yes, definitely. 401 00:21:45,930 --> 00:21:49,210 Herald: And there is a question at microphone 4? 402 00:21:49,970 --> 00:21:52,530 Question: Hi, I am originating for Tunisia, 403 00:21:52,590 --> 00:21:56,580 so I am a little bit interested in what you did in Tunisia 404 00:21:56,580 --> 00:22:01,490 and during the Tunisian Arab spring revolution 405 00:22:01,490 --> 00:22:05,520 it was that mesh networks, AIDA mesh network, 406 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,220 was that something you did or? 407 00:22:08,220 --> 00:22:11,920 t: No not we! You want to answer maybe... 408 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:13,150 k: No you... 409 00:22:13,150 --> 00:22:16,380 t: No, I will... sorry. No we didn't make 410 00:22:16,380 --> 00:22:18,260 mesh network but this is really something 411 00:22:18,260 --> 00:22:20,270 we can imagine with those kind of devices 412 00:22:20,270 --> 00:22:22,860 but this is not what we did in Tunisia. 413 00:22:22,860 --> 00:22:27,020 In Tunisia we just had those devices 414 00:22:27,020 --> 00:22:30,010 as pirateboxes to distribute documents 415 00:22:30,010 --> 00:22:32,120 and that's it. 416 00:22:32,120 --> 00:22:33,800 Questioner: Thank you! 417 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:39,380 Herald: Okay, I don't see anybody at the mics, right? 418 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,300 Okay then thanks again! 419 00:22:41,300 --> 00:22:42,430 t: Thank you! k: Thanks! 420 00:22:42,430 --> 00:22:44,140 *applause*